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Poster: boxcarhobo Date: Jun 23, 2004 6:20pm
Forum: democracy_now Subject: Re: A Wandering Railroad Rabbi l@@ks at AMY

The formatting on the post was a failure on my part....I ain't not yet figgered out Offise XP fer winders yet...them there YELLIN' Demons are the renderin's of fermats whitch war'n't figgred. rite. ys.

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Poster: __lee__ Date: Jun 24, 2004 1:41am
Forum: democracy_now Subject: Re: A Wandering Railroad Rabbi l@@ks at AMY

I think this pretty much ends the credibility of this argument :)

I think I recognise y'all from the Portland Indymedia thread.

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Poster: elijahradioprophet Date: Jun 24, 2004 6:38am
Forum: democracy_now Subject: Re: A Wandering Railroad Rabbi l@@ks at AMY

You bourgeois, selfimportant servile suck-egg toad! YOU are a ENEMY of G-d & Man! KBOO Homeless Marathon Today at 4 PM...I WAS A FEATURED SPOKESMAN on the 5th. MARATHON! I am SINCERELY DEVOTED to SAVING LIVES! You are EITHER a ASSET in the WAR AGAINST MURDER by INDUSTRIAL MONSTERS, or you are a TRAITOR & MURDERER YourSelf!Read "Mr. Nobody's" book
SPOOKS AND BRASS WORK THE HILL by Jeremy Weir Alderson Call them "fellows" or "detailees," dozens of eager helpers from the defense, corporate, and intelligence establishments are burrowing into Capitol Hill, blurring the lines between the branches of government and raising questions of conflict of interest and separation of powers.
There you have it! The English bourgeoisie is charitable out of self-interest; it gives nothing outright, but regards its gifts as a business matter, makes a bargain with the poor, saying: "If I spend this much upon benevolent institutions, I thereby purchase the right not to be troubled any further, and you are bound thereby to stay in your dusky holes and not to irritate my tender nerves by exposing your misery. You shall despair as before, but you shall despair unseen, this I require, this I purchase with my subscription of twenty pounds for the infirmary!" It is infamous, this charity of a Christian bourgeois.

In other respects, too, the bourgeoisie assumes a hypocritical, boundless philanthropy, but only when its own interests require it; as in its Politics and Political Economy

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Poster: elijahradioprophet Date: Jun 24, 2004 7:00am
Forum: democracy_now Subject: Re: A Wandering Railroad Rabbi l@@ks at AMY

ars as a political analyst with the CIA, dealing first with Vietnam and then with the Middle East for her last seven years with the Agency before resigning in 1979...Both Kathy [Christison] and her husband Bill, also a former CIA analyst, are regular contributors to the COUNTERPUNCH website."--COUNTERPUNCH web site on 10/22/02

"I would be ever so grateful if you would be good enough to set aside some time when you are next in Washington in order that my people in the CIA may have the benefit of your observations on your recent trip through Southeast Asia. We are particularly interested in the thoughts and reactions of the people themselves, and I think you can help us understand them better."--CIA Director Walter Bedell Smith, in a May 9, 1952 letter to Eleanor Roosevelt

"Operation Brotherhood was conceived, controlled, and funded by Colonel Lansdale and the CIA, and yet, as a covert operation, it needed plausible cover to legitimize its credibility as a private, independent project providing humanitarian aid to the unfortunate. The International Rescue Committee [IRC] proved extremely useful in this regard. In February 1955, the IRC joined with the U.S. Junior Chamber of Commerce as the chief sponsor of a major fund-raising campaign. The prominent progressives, Reinhold Niebuhr and Eleanor Roosevelt, accepted the positions of honorary chairs of the drive, with former OSS director William Donovan and Joseph Buttinger named as two of the vice-chairs...

"Raising funds for Operation Brotherhood in Vietnam served as a secondary goal of the drive...The campaign also provided an excellent opportunity to persuade the American people of the urgent necessity of aiding the Diem regime."--COVERT NETWORK: Progressives, the International Rescue Committee, and the CIA by Eric Thomas Chester in 1995

"I would like to see all progressive groups work together. But since some of us prefer to have our staffs and policy-making groups completely free of any American Communist infiltration if we can possibly prevent it, while others have not quite as strong a feeling on this subject, it is natural that there should be two set-ups...The American Communists seem to have succeeded very well in jeopardizing whatever the liberals work for. Therefore, to keep them out of policy-making and staff positions seems to be very essential..."--Americans for Democratic Action[ADA] Founding Meeting Keynote Speaker Eleanor Roosevelt in 1947

The COUNTERPUNCH newsletter is published by the Institute for the Advancement of Journalistic Clarity [IAJC]. A senior advisor of the Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt Institute [FERI] in recent years, Ford Roosevelt, has also been the vice-president of the IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH. FERI Senior Advisor Ford Roosevelt is one of the grandsons of former U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt [FDR] and Eleanor Roosevelt. In 1947,Eleanor Roosevelt was one of the anti-communist Cold War liberals who set up the Americans for Democratic Action [ADS] "parallel left" political group.

One of the editors of COUNTERPUNCH, former WALL STREET JOURNAL columnist Alexander Cockburn, has also been a columnist for THE NATION magazine for many years. Coincidentally, both NATION editor Katrina vanden Heuvel and NATION editor vanden Heuvel's father, International Rescue Committee [IRC} board member William vanden Heuvel, sit on the board of directors of the FERI organization to which the IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH vice-president is linked as a senior advisor.

According to its Form 990 for 1999, IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH takes in around $178,000 each year from its alternative journalism activity. It then spends around $46,000 to print up its newsletter, around $35,000 to advertise its newsletter and around $15,000 on administrative costs. Unlike most of the other anti-conspiracist alternative media gatekeepers, IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH doesn't appear to have received any big Establishment Foundation grants in recent years. But its vice-president, Ford Roosevelt, is a member of a Roosevelt Dynasty that possessed upper-class wealth and much political power during the 20th-century.

The inherited wealth of Franklin Delano Roosevelt's family came from both the Delano family and the Roosevelt family. In his 1975 book, A RENDEVOUS WITH DESTINY: THE ROOSEVELTS OF THE WHITE HOUSE, the now-deceased apparent stepfather of IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH Vice-President Roosevelt--Elliott Roosevelt--recalled how FDR's mother obtained her inherited wealth:

"Delano ships sailing out of New Bedford made the family rich...The China trade accelerated the piling up of money, some of it undoubtedly earned from the sale of opium in an era when opium and its derivatives could be bought openly in virtually any city in the world...

"...One of Granny's uncles, Franklin Hughes Delano...augmented the fortune by marrying Laura Astor and promptly retired from commercial business...The Franklin Delanos had no children, so a share of their wealth fell into Granny's hands; she shared her gratitude by naming Father for her beneficent uncle...

"When her father, Warren Delano II, died, he left her $1,338,000 of the funds he had accumulated in China..."

A RENDEVOUS WITH DESTINY also describes how the Roosevelt side of FDR's family obtained its inherited wealth:

"By the end of the American Revolution the New World Roosevelts had enjoyed well over one hundred years of steadily expanding prosperity...None of them made anything approaching Delano money, but they bought land, thousands of acres of it, along the Hudson to qualify as landed gentry...Not until the railroad boom came along in the nineteenth century did any of our Roosevelt ancestorrs amass a few million dollars."

According to FDR's son, before FDR moved into the White House in 1933, he sold all his shares of mining company stock and instructed his mother to sell hers. As U.S. President between 1933 and 1945, IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH Vice President Roosevelt's grandfather not only received a salary of $75,000 and an expense allowance of $25,000. FDR also was given a subsidy of $100,000 a year by his mother while he was in the White House--until FDR's mother died in 1941.

IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH Vice President Roosevelt's grandmother also brought in money for FDR's family during the Great Depression of the 1930s. From "the few hundred thousand dollars of inherited capital which she brought into her marriage," Eleanor Roosevelt received an income of $5,000 a year in 1936, according to RENDEVOUS WITH DESTINY. In addition, in 1936, FDR's wife also "earned twenty times as much from her rounds on the lecture circuit and from her...columns, MY DAY, which appeared in some sixty newspapers..." According to the 1987 book ELEANOR ROOSEVELT AND THE MEDIA by Maurine Beasley: "For a woman of her day, Eleanor Roosevelt earned an astonishing amount of money while she was first lady; $75,000 as an advance on her autobiography, for an example, and an estimated $156,000 from her radio broadcasts in 1940 alone."

Following his mother's death in 1941, FDR inherited "virtually everything she had, including the sum of $920,715," according to Elliott Roosevelt's book. The RENDEVOUS WITH DESTINY book also noted that when IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH Vice President Roosevelt's grandfather suddenly died in 1945, "he left a net estate of $1,974,316 and $562,142 worth of life insurance which went to the Warm Springs Foundation in Georgia. (The Warm Springs Foundation is presently called the Roosevelt Warm Springs Rehabilitation Development Fund).

Among the stocks and bonds contained in FDR's portfolio when he died were 800 shares of General Electric stock. Of the $1,439,171 worth of assets that were left for the trust fund (following the payment of funeral and administrative expenses by FDR's family), the bulk was left to Eleanor Roosevelt. What remained in the trust fund after Eleanor Roosevelt's death in 1962 was then passed onto FDR's five children--Jimmy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, John Roosevelt, Anna Roosevelt and Elliott Roosevelt--and FDR's grandchildren. The book ELEANOR: THE YEARS ALONE by Joseph Lasch noted that, according to FDR's will, following Eleanor Roosevelt's death: "The estate was to be divided into five equal parts. Each of his children was to get half of his or her one-fifth share as well as the income from the other half of the one-fifth share, which was to be held in trust during their lives and to the children of each of the five." The same book also revealed that in 1946--the year before she gave the keynote address at the anti-communist "parallel left" ADA's founding convention--Eleanor Roosevelt's "total income, including $30,000 from her husband's estate, would come to $80,000 annually." According to the book MOTHER R: ELEANOR ROOSEVELT'S UNTOLD STORY by Elliott Roosevelt, FDR left the bulk of his estate to Eleanor Roosevelt "so that she would enjoy the income from it to the end of her life, when the principal was to be shared equally among us children." In addition to what she inherited from FDR in 1945, Eleanor Roosevelt still also "had an inherited income of $8,000 a year," plus "the proceeds from Father's life insurance to tide her over until she was allowed to begin drawing the interest on his estate," according to the MOTHER R: ELEANOR ROOSEVELT's UNTOLD STORY book. As a Presidential widow after 1945, Eleanor Roosevelt was also able to "take advantage of the franking privilege which enabled her to answer her mail without the expense of buying stamps," according to Elliott Roosevelt's MOTHER R. book.

After helping to found the anti-communist Americans for Democratic Action [ADA], the grandmother of IAJC/COUNTERPUNCH Vice President Roosevelt continued to make a lot of money from the marketing of her mainstream media celebrity status. As the ELEANOR: THE YEARS ALONE book recalled: "The range of her interests was reflected in her taxable income from professional activities which, in 1954, was almost $90,000: $36,000 from MC CALL's, $20,000 from her column, and $25,000 from Colston Leigh for lectures." Even just a year before her death in 1962 at the age of 78, Eleanor Roosevelt was still able to earn a lot of money. According to ELEANOR ROOSEVELT AND THE MEDIA, "In 1961...Mrs. Roosevelt's professional income came to more than $100,000, of which lectures accounted for $33,500 and payments for her writing close to $60,000..."

Much of the money that Eleanor Roosevelt earned between 1945 and 1962 was donated to tax-deductible charity organizations. But, after her death, what was left of both FDR's estate and her own wealth apparently was destined for inheritance by her children and her grandchildren. So if a grandchild of FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt ever decided to help subsidize a publication like COUNTERPUNCH with inherited money, it's possible that the origin of much of that money would be what was left by FDR and Eleanor Roosevelt.

An alternative media group which was relying on Roosevelt Dynasty money to subsidize its work might possibly tend to avoid scrutinizing the Franklin and Eleanor Roosevelt Institute [FERI} from an anti-corporate/anti-war radical left perspective--especially if the alternative media group's vice-president was a senior advisor to FERI. Such an alternative media group might also tend to avoid examining the anti-communist role that the ADA played during the Cold War era, since the ADA's classist politics reflected Eleanor Roosevelt's politics during the Cold War era. A quick glance at a book written by COUNTERPUNCH's co-editors in the late 1990s--WHITE OUT--does indicate, for instance, that there is no reference to either ADA's Cold War era role or to Eleanor Roosevelt-- although the COUNTERPUNCH co-editors do note that "Dulles's brother, Allen, head of the CIA, dispatched Kermit Roosevelt to organize a coup against "the Mossadegh government in Iran in 1953.

end of the American Dream!!!!
Establishment of NAZI 4th. REICH, Genocidal MURDERERS rule over us! FEMA Death Camps are NOW READY, REFURBISHED & STAFFED! (George AFB North of VICTORVILLE, has been TOTALLY FRAMED & FITTED to HOLD 12,800 BODIES. Across the road is the NEW FEDERAL PRISON, a 4 MILE LONG BUILDING ENCAMPMENT! Facilities for RAPID Delivery of DOOMED "USELESS EATERS" VIA Rail, Truck, AIRPLANE...the "FedAIRE" Federal PRISON TRANSPORT SYSTEM already has 250+ C2 & B16 TRANSPOT Planes READY to MOVE 750,000 "BODIES" every 24 hours.

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Poster: glenn Date: Aug 23, 2004 2:43pm
Forum: democracy_now Subject: dn!

these politically oriented forums are becoming overrun with trolls. and sockpuppets.

feed the trolls and before you know it you will have the meow meow brigade in here.

Democracy Now! is not the same thing as Pacifica Radio Network, or kpfk or kpfa...

Pacifica stations are listener controlled as well as being listener supported, and are mostly run by unpaid volunteers. Does that sound like Shell Oil and the CIA to you?

Pacifica is IN NO WAY a 'tool of the CIA" or of big business. I've been listening to kpfk for 25 years. you can listen too, and make up your own mind. Read their mission statement, their schedule and listen online at

I was so eager when I saw there was a dn! forum, then I saw this thread. I don't need to talk about the show, I'll just watch it every weekday streamed live from ...

[edit, added sockpuppets...}

This post was modified by glenn on 2004-08-23 21:43:34

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Poster: elijahradioprophet Date: Nov 14, 2006 9:02am
Forum: democracy_now Subject: Re: dn!

GLENN avows that PACIFICA is LISTENER CONTROLLED...GLENN LIES! The NETWORK went through a HORRID VOMITING OUT of ALL those with "MINDS UNSHACKED" in the 1990's! GLENN, You are a MINYON / SPOOK of the C.I.A.

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Poster: glenn Date: Nov 14, 2006 10:16pm
Forum: democracy_now Subject: Re: dn!

I think you may have your caps lock button confused with the shift key.

Listen for yourself and make your own decision.

Or read the minutes from recent Local Station Board meetings.

I don't lie. Read anything else I've posted.

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Poster: elijahradioprophet Date: Nov 16, 2006 9:15am
Forum: democracy_now Subject: Re: dn!

Take Pacifica / DEMOCRACY NOW, an alternative radio network with annual revenues of $10 million in 2000, whose National Program Director was paid $63,000 in that year. In the early 1950s--when the CIA was using the Ford Foundation to help fund a non-communist "parallel left" as a liberal Establishment alternative to an independent, anti-Establishment revolutionary left--the Pacifica Foundation was given a $150,000 grant in 1951 by the Ford Foundation's Fund for Education. According to James Ledbetter's book Made Possible By..., "the Fund's first chief was Alexander Fraser, the president of the Shell Oil Company."

Besides subsidizing the Pacifica Foundation in the early 1950s, the Ford Foundation also spent a lot of money subsidizing many other noncommercial radio or television stations in the United States. According to Ledbetter's Made Possible By..., between 1951 and 1976, the Ford Foundation "spent nearly $300 million on noncommercial radio and television."

In the late 1950s and early 1960s, Pacifica relied primarily on listener-sponsor contributions to fund the operations of its radio stations. And in the early 1970s, Pacifica also began to accept funds from the U.S. Establishment's Corporation for Public Broadcasting [CPB], according to Rogue State author William Blum--who worked as a KPFA staffperson in the early 1970s. But in the early 1990s, some Pacifica administrators decided to again seek grants from the Ford Foundation and other Establishment foundations. As former Pacifica Development Director Dick Bunce wrote in the appendix to the "A Strategy for National Programming" document which was prepared for the Pacifica National Board in September 1992, entitled "Appendix Foundation Grantseeking National Programming Assumptions for Foundation Fundraising":

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Poster: glenn Date: Nov 16, 2006 10:26am
Forum: democracy_now Subject: Re: dn!

If you listen to Pacifica radio, you'd have heard a lot of this already.

As interesting as the attachment is, it doesn't mention Pacifica or Dempocracy Now! anywhere. Still it's an interesting read, worth taking the time to look it over.

None of this means kpfk, Pacifica or Democracy Now! is run by Shell Oil.

Like I said, listen for yourself and make your own decision.

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Poster: elijahradioprophet Date: Nov 16, 2006 1:13pm
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Poster: elijahradioprophet Date: Jun 24, 2004 6:14am
Forum: democracy_now Subject: RE: look at AMIEE

You are PROBLEM-ly coRRECK...I am a ELDER STATEMEN in the GET OUT THE TRUTH to DESTROY FILTHY LIARS & PIGGIES who are DESTROYERS of TREES, RIVERS & MINDS..obviously YOUR mind IS NOT too Ruint if YOU (casn) REcogNICE me!!!???

"MR. EDITOR,-- For some time past our main streets are haunted by swarms of beggars, who try to awaken the pity of the passers-by in a most shameless and annoying manner, by exposing their tattered clothing, sickly aspect, and disgusting wounds and deformities. I should think that when one not only pays the poor-rate, but also contributes largely to the charitable institutions, one had done enough to earn a right to be spared such disagreeable and impertinent molestations. And why else do we pay such high rates for the maintenance of the municipal police, if they do not even protect us so far as to make it possible to go to or out of town in peace? I hope the publication of these lines in your widely- circulated paper may induce the authorities to remove this nuisance; and I remain,-- Your obedient servant,
"A Lady."

There you have it! The English bourgeoisie is charitable out of self-interest; it gives nothing outright, but regards its gifts as a business matter, makes a bargain with the poor, saying: "If I spend this much upon benevolent institutions, I thereby purchase the right not to be troubled any further, and you are bound thereby to stay in your dusky holes and not to irritate my tender nerves by exposing your misery. You shall despair as before, but you shall despair unseen, this I require, this I purchase with my subscription of twenty pounds for the infirmary!"

the power of the State, conducts itself towards the proletariat. Laws are necessary only because there are persons in existence who own nothing; and although this is directly expressed in but few laws, as, for instance, those against vagabonds and tramps, in which the proletariat as such is outlawed, yet enmity to the proletariat is so emphatically the basis of the law that the judges, and especially the Justices of the Peace, who are bourgeois themselves, and with whom the proletariat comes most in contact, find this meaning in the laws without further consideration. If a rich man is brought up, or rather summoned, to appear before the court, the judge regrets that he is obliged to impose so much trouble, treats the matter as favourably as possible, and, if he is forced to condemn the accused, does so with extreme regret, etc., etc., and the end of it all is a miserable fine, which the bourgeois throws upon the table with contempt and then departs. But if a poor devil gets into such a position as involves appearing before the Justice of the Peace -- he has almost always spent the night in the station-house with a crowd of his peers -- he is regarded from the beginning as guilty; his defence is set aside with a contemptuous "Oh! we know the excuse", and a fine imposed which he cannot pay and must work out with several months on the treadmill. And if nothing can be proved against him, he is sent to the treadmill, none the less, "as a rogue and a vagabond".. If, then, the problem is not to make the "surplus population" useful, to transform it into available population, but merely to let it starve to death in the least objectionable way and to prevent its having too many children, this, of course, is simple enough, provided the surplus population perceives its own superfluousness and takes kindly to starvation.
Ford Foundation's Skull & Bones Link

by bob feldman

A few years ago a movie called SKULLS—which seemed to draw its initial inspiration from Yale University's secretive Skull and Bones society—was shown in some theatres around the United States . According to the 1998 edition of SHARING THE PIE: A CITIZEN'S GUIDE TO WEALTH AND POWER IN AMERICA by Steve Brouwer:

"Skull and Bones is a small, secret society of Yale University. During the late nineteenth century and the first half of the twentieth century it was home to many rich, white Anglo-Saxon Protestant young men who went on to run the country, including William Howard Taft, Republican president from 1908 to 1912; Averell Harriman, the leading financier of the Democratic Party from 1932 to 1992; Prescott Bush, the manager of Harriman's bank, Republican senator, and father of George Bush; and George Bush, Republican president from 1988 to 1992 [and the father of the current U.S. president, George W. Bush]. The list could be filled out with the names of scores of very influential Americans--for example, Henry Stimson, Republican financier and two-time secretary of war, and Henry Luce, the nation's leading publisher (TIME, LIFE, FORTUNE, etc.).

"In the first half of the twentieth century, George Bush's father and his generation of Bonesmen were intimately involved in maintaining family wealth, looking after the welfare of America's largest banks and corporations, running the affairs of both political parties, and directing U.S. foreign and domestic policies."

The 1990 book TELEVISION AND THE CRISIS OF DEMOCRACY by Douglas Kellner also observed that former President George "Bush's father Prescott had connections with the intelligence service, was involved in the secret investment bank...and, like his son, was a member of the secret Skull and Bones society at Yale..."

Like George W. Bush's father, the president of the Ford Foundation between 1966 and 1979, McGeorge Bundy, was a member of the Skull and Bones society. In addition, both the father [Harvey Bundy] and the brother [William Bundy] of former Ford Foundation President Bundy were members of Skull and Bones. According to NATION magazine contributing editor Kai Bird's MacArthur Foundation, LBJ Foundation and Rockefeller Foundation-subsidized book, THE COLOR OF TRUTH: MC GEORGE BUNDY AND WILLIAM BUNDY--BROTHER IN ARMS:

"In his junior year Harvey [Bundy] was selected to the most exclusive and ritualistic of fraternities, Skull and Bones. Only fifteen men were tapped for membership each year in the secretive club. [Harvey] Bundy was enormously pleased...

"Nothing affected him more at Yale than the people he met at Skull and Bones. They met twice a week, and [Harvey]Bundy claimed the friendships he formed were such that Skull and Bones `did more for us than any other single experience in our lives.'...

"Skull and Bones had been founded in 1832...William H. Russell...endowed Skull and Bones with a considerable fortune, managed by the Russell Trust Association...The clubhouse and its dining facilities were one thing, but the Russell Trust also owned a summer house on Deer Island, a rustic retreat in the Thousand Islands region of upstate New York. The Russell Trust also reportedly had a special fund from which any Bonesman caould withdraw up to $15,000 in a lifetime for any purpose...

"Skull and Bones...reinforced the paridigm of the Bundy brothers' Boston Brahmin upbringing..."

The Ford Foundation's Vice President for Educational Programs who also chaired the Ford Foundation's Public Policy Committee when McGeorge Bundy was Ford Foundation President--Harold Howe--was also a member of Skull and Bones. Under Skull and Bones member Howe's chairmanship, the Ford Foundation's Public Policy Committee "dispersed several million dollars a year on projects which were seen as too far afield from Ford's guidelines," according to THE COLOR OF TRUTH.

Another Skull and Bones member who has been playing a prominent role in U.S. Establishment politics since the now-deceased McGeorge Bundy moved out of his Ford Foundation office in 1978 is U.S. Senator John Kerry--who has been mentioned as a possible Democratic Party presidential candidate in 2004.